Steve Forbes is the Chairman and Editor-in-Chief of Forbes Media. He joins the Joe Pags Show to break down what’s truth and what’s fiction on the economy.

And, who is he backing this November?

“Should we have a tax system that punishes success?” asked Pags.

“It’s not fair and it’s very damaging. If you want to collect more money from the rich, lower the tax code and simplify it,” he explained.

“When this began in 1913 the top rate was 7%. Look what we have today?” he added.

“Even the IRS doesn’t know what’s in our current tax code,” concluded Forbes.

Watch the exchange above.