Former Texas Representative Ted Poe spoke with Joe ‘Pags’ Pagliarulo this week on the country’s ongoing division surrounding the COVID-19 pandemic; saying mask and vaccine mandates are simply “not laws.”

“It’s not in the Constitution… The states have the rights to make these rules if they want to, then they can be challenged,” said Pags.

“It’s legislation by mandate. Laws are made by the US Congress. Mandates are a law. Therefore, it’s not constitutional because Congress did not pass that legislation,” fired-back Poe.

“It’s a fiction… I think it’s illegal,” he added.

Watch Poe’s comments above.