Former Energy Secretary under Donald Trump Dan Brouillette spoke with Joe ‘Pags’ Pagliarulo Thursday to discuss record-high inflation; saying surging gas prices aren’t good for anybody.

“Let’s get basic about this. We took the chains off of the oil industry. I’m now hearing the left saying we’re producing more oil than we ever have. Is that true?” asked Pagliarulo.

“No, I don’t think so,” said Brouillette. “When I was in office, it was very clear that we were the swing producer. Our producers in Texas could increase production and offset any losses.”

“Nobody wants high gas prices,” he added.

Watch Brouillette’s comments above.